I can't believe I'm doing this

[Aggie]

http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshopel/

I just got notice from the photo club I'm in out in Utah that this is a special that ends soon. I have no clue about it but I love deals so I pass it on.

[ann]

well, it happens to us all. Not too worry, you are already between heaven and hell so nowhere else to go :)

[Terri]

I have no clue about it


Here is all you need to know, it says it all right here:

You can create the perfect photo your camera couldn't capture



;)

[Aggie]

Here is all you need to know, it says it all right here:

You can create the perfect photo your camera couldn't capture



;)

Damn just when I thought getting a digigizmo on a January sale was something I was going to do this coming year!

[Terri]

:lol:

[Matt Needham]

You can create the perfect photo your camera couldn't capture;)

That's what inspired me to learn the Zone System. My cameras sometimes captured a dull and bland world compared to what my eyes and heart saw. Once I learned that I had image control options in the darkroom it made it all much more interesting.

What's the difference between processing in the darkroom or processing in software? I have to mop the floor, I have to mix and temp the chems, I have to create visual art without full use of my eyes, etc.... Do those things help my photographs? No, they steal time and energy I could be using working on the photograph.

Taking charge of the entire process of creating a photo opens up a realm of control and options the photographer who drops film off at the lab to be finished by automated machines never experiences. 100+ years of Eastman's easy to use film and drop off processing has left several generations of photographers ignorant of that, which is why Adobe has to advertise that it's an option. I think it's a good thing that more photographers than ever are doing their own processing.

All photography that has ever existed is high technology compared most other visual arts. It's a very small step from disparaging digital photographic processes to disparaging all photographic processes.

"When I'm ready to make a photograph, I think I quite obviously see in my minds eye something that is not literally there in the true meaning of the word. I'm interested in something which is built up from within, rather than just extracted from without." -Ansel Adams

[Aggie]

I took a workshop from Ansel himself back in the early 70's. I learned the cow plop zone system from Gordon Hutchings, and many more things from a lot of the greats of film. I love the Dark room where you can watch the magic of wet chemicals bringing an image to life. Those that know me, also know I really don't like digital. I'm married to an uber computer geek who is a former IBM VP who rose from the ranks of programmer to management. I gave birth to a geek in training who can out do his father. I see them spend their lives in front of a computer. Dan works on computers all day and comes home and plays games on computers until he goes to bed. Same for my son. In a darkroom the old fashioned kind I can move and do. To me it is a creative dance to bring the image I envision to life. Many who didn't know Ansel personally like to claim he would embrace digital. Yet he didn't care for color. No one knows for sure. But having been around him, I couldn't see him sitting in front of a computer. He barely had patience enough to stay in the dark room. He loved to be out and exploring in the wilds. To him the darkroom was neccesary

It's due to a many year long spate of really bad health problems that has me thinking about really doing digital. I taught 6 hours of metal smithing classes this last Saturday, and spent the last few days hurting and on pain pills and ice to get to today where I feel a bit better. So sitting right now doing photo shop types of things seems a way to do photos that otherwise I wouldn't be doing. Hell I haven't really taken much in the last few years any way. Terri was at the last workshop I went to. Within two weeks of that workshop I was fighting for my life.

I will be going through Phoenix again this summer in late May. Christina and others do digital very well. I'm going to pick their brains. I'm hoping they will make the half day journey up to So. Utah and we could all do some photography in my area of the country. It would have to be digital because I would have no access to a darkroom. So as you can see I'm torn between a love of photography and the methods I love and the methods I can use right now.

[KMann]

Well I'm certainly glad that Saint Adams left us something to quote when people say stuff like "wow, I bet that camera takes good pictures" and "but was it actually like that?" which comes with a "I know you use Photoshop" look.

Another one - and I think I saw it here is "the negative is the score, the print the performance".

The Adobe slogan is true, despite its silliness, and it does sound silly. But it's true.

[eric rose]

embrace the pixels. there are so many of them.

[Terri]

Well I'm certainly glad that Saint Adams left us something to quote when people say stuff like "wow, I bet that camera takes good pictures" and "but was it actually like that?" which comes with a "I know you use Photoshop" look.

Another one - and I think I saw it here is "the negative is the score, the print the performance".

The Adobe slogan is true, despite its silliness, and it does sound silly. But it's true.Agreed - of course, it's true. The joke (for me) is that Adobe uses it as if it's a new concept.

I think Matt misunderstood me up there. :) I wasn't disparaging digital processes. I was teasing a fellow film geek buddy. Actually, one of my latest discoveries (have to laugh at myself since she's been around for so long, is married to a master darkroom worker, and I was completely ignorant of her until I spied one of her prints) is Maggie Taylor - big time digital artist, and I love quite a number of her prints. From musicians to painters to digital artists/photographers, I carry the usual human response of respect, awe and appreciation for those who produce wonderful work that's beyond anything I will do. There's nothing inherently wrong with feeling it's sometimes more comforting to be the viewer than the artist, I don't think. :)